Who Defines Indian Culture?

What is Indian culture? Who defines it?

What gives you the moral authority to say what other people should do? Were you granted some sort of special knowledge by a supernatural entity? Are you somehow better than other people?

You are enforcing your idea of India upon other people. People will do what the hell they want. They have every right to. Who are you to tell them what to do?

If it is your own personal opinion of things that you are talking about, then you should mention that it is what you would prefer and not what has to be done as a general rule.

Your so called culture conflicts with that of most developed countries. And you still think you are right?

As a parting shot, have you heard of the temples at Khajuraho? You probably haven’t, because the so-called guardians of our culture would prefer that you not know about it.

Comments

65 Responses

  1. Arun M says:

    Wat does this post drive at? Who are you targetting? Who’s a better human than the rest? Where did Khajuraho come from into this topic? uh.. whats the bottom line?

    Posted on May 6th, 2008 at 9:48 pm

  2. Arun M says:

    BTW, PSP has control over life and death, in case u werent aware :p

    Posted on May 6th, 2008 at 9:49 pm

  3. George says:

    The bottom line is that kissing in public isn’t a bad thing and that sex is good. And that women can bloody well dress how they like.

    Posted on May 6th, 2008 at 10:07 pm

  4. Rachel says:

    I just got a mail about this temple long back. If temples like this were built in olden days itself, where did our culture go that time.Vanished all of sudden.

    Now i am waiting for Selerines reply.

    Posted on May 6th, 2008 at 10:09 pm

  5. Marc Z says:

    Arun M, you need to have read the other related posts on Rachel’s and Siva’s blogs for continuity.

    Posted on May 6th, 2008 at 10:18 pm

  6. sharad says:

    dude….ur amazing man u can talk on computer processor to politics…!hats off brother!

    Posted on May 6th, 2008 at 10:54 pm

  7. Rachel says:

    @Arun
    Related posts
    http://rachel.ampli5.org/wordpress/?p=162 and
    http://selerines.blogspot.com/2008/05/ipl-is-cheer-leaders-spoiling-indian.html

    Posted on May 7th, 2008 at 12:02 am

  8. Marc Z says:

    Yeah read the comments on those two posts also.

    Posted on May 7th, 2008 at 11:39 am

  9. Selerines says:

    @All : See yaar….. What you people are telling is correct only, but it is not fully acceptable?

    Marc –>You are enforcing your idea of India upon other people.

    I don’t know on what basis marc is telling this thing. Listen buddy, in India we are not compelling any one to follow our culture and customs. Many foreigners are still having some faith on our culture, still they are loving it more and more as compared to our citizens. We are living in India so we don’t know the value of our culture. They are living in some other countries and so they know the value of our culture and customs. I don’t know why we people are not understanding it….

    I want you people to answer this question with a concrete reason. Don’t try to make fun of it… Be serious!!!

    ” Western culture is better than our Indian culture, because_______?”

    @Marc : As i already said in my blog, you are mixing up both the Indian and Western culture… Each and every thing will differ from others.. It’s nature……

    @Arun : I want you to comment in my blog’s related post yaar.. Keep in touch there!!!!

    Posted on May 7th, 2008 at 12:26 pm

  10. George says:

    Considering I don’t like the terms ‘Western culture’ and ‘Indian culture’ because they are vague and to be honest, undefined, I’ll answer what I think you mean.

    Some western societies allow more freedom than our society. Hence they are better.

    Posted on May 7th, 2008 at 1:39 pm

  11. Rachel says:

    @Selerines
    Western culture is better that indian culture, because it allows more freedom than our society, i agree with that point and that’s the truth.

    Posted on May 7th, 2008 at 3:28 pm

  12. sharad says:

    marc do u have plans of setteling abroad?

    Posted on May 7th, 2008 at 4:48 pm

  13. Selerines says:

    @Roshan & Rachel : Nice concrete point… I accept it….. But based on that how u can evaluate the cultures?

    If your parents are not giving you the sufficient freedom means, then what you people will do? Will you start to hate them?

    Sorry friends for asking that thing… I have not asked it to hurt you any one.. Just i asked.. So don’t take it as an issue…. Answer my question…

    See yaar(s).. Just wearing T-shirts and jeans which is not even covering the body parts to be covered, this itself does not mean that we are having freedom. Its some thing more than that… Like “Marc” said in one of Rachels post Having sex at public places and doing whatever we like at public places, this itself does not mean that we got full freedom.

    Freedom is the one which should be smelled by each and every one in our country…..

    1.) Are we having any constraints to go out in our country. Especially girls…. Like A*******an countries…

    2.) We are having full rights to do any thing in our country… But the only thing is we people are utilizing it in a correct manner.. Thats the main problem..

    See yaar(s) because of the mistakes that was made by some stupids.. We should not under estimate our culture…

    Posted on May 7th, 2008 at 7:27 pm

  14. Selerines says:

    Second point correction : We are having full rights to do any thing in our country… But the only thing is we people are not utilizing it in a correct manner.. Thats the main problem..

    Posted on May 7th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

  15. Rachel says:

    Selerines
    First of stop saying am sorry this and that nobody is here to hurt you or we you okay. This is just a discussion okay yaar.

    Got ya, see we Indians are reminded only of SEX when we hear the word freedom, don’t we?

    1.Freedom is not just sex man as you said more than that. okay lemme ask you, can a gal walk alone after 10 or sorry after 8 in road.

    2. Are we able to approach at anytime in anyway? don’t we think to even to call them up.

    3. How do they treat patients in govt hospitals.

    “Are we having any constraints to go out in our country”

    Yes, there are constraints in our country.

    Do you know how many gals are not allowed to freak out with there friends in holidays( even with their gender people)

    Haven’t you heard gals say, ” hey i’ve to be there at home by 6 or 7″.

    Haven’t you seen their parents call them at least to 2-3 times before they start.

    Some gals start home early, coz of the molestation act that happens in the bus if it’s more crowded or if it’s late.

    Pls understand freedom doesn’t mean only dress, so many to think of.

    Posted on May 7th, 2008 at 7:54 pm

  16. Rachel says:

    I meant to approach the police.

    Posted on May 7th, 2008 at 7:55 pm

  17. Arun says:

    The Kajuraho sculptures are art works. Highly appreciated in those days and rewarded by Kings when they came to understand the significance of it from sculptors themselves. This was Indian culture.

    Now, the present ‘Indian Culture’ claimed by some is that you shouldn’t express any form of nudity on canvas for art exhibition as it is against their ‘Indian Culture’. If you have been following news you’d know how an art student was arrested and harassed for displaying his art work.

    Posted on May 7th, 2008 at 9:21 pm

  18. Arun says:

    And whoever said Westerners grant freedom over sex and nudity.

    link

    Posted on May 7th, 2008 at 9:25 pm

  19. Vinod says:

    We don’t have freedom in INDIA!!!
    @ Yaar guy
    Dress is meant to cover ONLY the important parts. I was wondering why ppl didn’t start talking about Mallikka wearing the dress for the Dasavadharam audio release and one politician did it. This is what you call freedom??? If you think that dress is to cover the entire body then you are wrong. All have the right to wear any dress till it covers the parts that should be covered. Her dress was nice and there was nothing wrong in that. Same thing happened with Shreya during some function which I don’t remember. So you call this as freedom given in our country????
    Think before you speak Yaar guy!!!

    Posted on May 7th, 2008 at 10:32 pm

  20. George says:

    Marc, this page is hard to read using a mobile phone browser. As a matter of fact, I can’t scroll to the right in the text box, so I’m hoping it comes out okay. What is a man to do while waiting for a train at Park station anyway. Update: Intriguingly, I can scroll after I have entered the text, not while entering.

    As always, Scandinavian countries are a nice example to follow. I fail to see how nudity is offensive, unless the people involved are particularly unattractive :)
    Perhaps some of you should read what I think Marx said about the whole thing.

    Posted on May 8th, 2008 at 8:07 am

  21. Adithya says:

    @George

    Sir, I bow down before you.

    Posted on May 8th, 2008 at 5:05 pm

  22. Marc Z says:

    Western culture is better than our Indian culture, because Western culture is a large group of people doing what they like whereas Indian culture is a small group of people telling a large group what they are supposed to do.

    There’s your reason, Siva.

    If your parents are not giving you the sufficient freedom means, then what you people will do? Will you start to hate them?

    Yes. Many people do hate their parents for this.

    See yaar(s).. Just wearing T-shirts and jeans which is not even covering the body parts to be covered, this itself does not mean that we are having freedom. Its some thing more than that… Like “Marc” said in one of Rachels post Having sex at public places and doing whatever we like at public places, this itself does not mean that we got full freedom.

    I happen to think that freedom in wearing what we want does constitute freedom. And this is the first time I have seen anyone use the term ‘yaar(s)’!

    Freedom is the one which should be smelled by each and every one in our country…..

    A meaningless sentence similar to the ‘punch dialogues’ in Tamil movies. What do you mean by this?

    1.) Are we having any constraints to go out in our country. Especially girls…. Like A*******an countries…

    YES! Girls are not supposed to go out after it is dark. Their own parents tell them this. This might be for their own good, but the fact remains that our country is not safe for women at any part of the day, let alone night. And girls can’t go to parties, they can’t go inside some temples etc. We treat our women slightly better than the most orthodox Arabic countries.

    Rachel has explained this further in her comment.

    2.) We are having full rights to do any thing in our country…

    Oh yeah? Actress Kushboo said she was fine with premarital sex. Did she not have a right to say that? See what happened to her. Wake up to reality. We have rights only in theory.

    Arun, everything has been taken over by a small minority who are able to hijack the concept of public opinion.

    George, I don’t give a damn about mobile browsers. They should shape up or ship out. We can’t configure pages for them. They should reformat pages themselves.

    Posted on May 8th, 2008 at 6:58 pm

  23. Selerines says:

    @Rachel :
    * If a girl can’t able to walk around the country freely means then why you are targeting our culture. Hmmm….. It depends on different people mindset who are trying to molest the girls in our country.. Why these type of incidents are not happening in other countries ha? Two months before also i saw a similar incident related to molestation in the CNN IBN news channel.. The incident took place at Spain in a train yaar.. What you say about it yaar…??

    * Targeting police.. Our culture is not responsible for it… As you itself said in one of my blog posts “In each and every country there are so many polices like this”. What you say about this?

    @ROFL guy : Hey based on the dresses how u can evaluate our Indian culture? Hmmm…. The culture not only depends on the dressing, it contains so many things yaar….

    Freedom = Doing any thing what ever we like?

    Is this the definition??????

    Try to understand the correct definition of it and then come into debate yaar…..

    Posted on May 8th, 2008 at 7:34 pm

  24. Rachel says:

    @Selerines

    If a girl can’t able to walk around the country freely means then why you are targeting our culture. Hmmm….. It depends on different people mindset who are trying to molest the girls in our country.. Why these type of incidents are not happening in other countries ha? Two months before also i saw a similar incident related to molestation in the CNN IBN news channel.. The incident took place at Spain in a train yaar.. What you say about it yaar…??…….now i come to my point, you know why gals are not able to walk alone in the road freely, coz they lack GUTS- which is very important. Becoz gals in the other countries are taught to be bold and that’s why you don’t find such kinda incidents.
    Speaking about molestation act, the Spain incident i guess only a stranger would have involved and not the police in anyway but in our countries it’s the opposite.

    Posted on May 8th, 2008 at 8:53 pm

  25. George says:

    YES! Girls are not supposed to go out after it is dark. Their own parents tell them this. This might be for their own good, but the fact remains that our country is not safe for women at any part of the day, let alone night. And girls can’t go to parties, they can’t go inside some temples etc. We treat our women slightly better than the most orthodox Arabic countries.

    With male escort, you’re safe almost anywhere you go, and where you aren’t, no guy is safe either. Also, you’re just going to the wrong parties.

    Posted on May 8th, 2008 at 8:53 pm

  26. Vinod says:

    @ Yaar guy or Bhuaa
    Dude!!! Do you have the habit of seeing news or not???? The idiotic politician said that her dress was not a culture. She didn’t respect Tamil culture!!! WT* is that then???? Why the hell culture comes in dressing sense??? This is what freedom??? And one more thing. I think you read my old post on the news that came in Times Now. Jeppiaar said that girls should not talk to boys in school or colleges as it a part of TAMIL CULTURE!!! What in the bloody hell is that??? This is the limit of freedom in our country dude! First update yourself with the latest news and then try to come for a debate. You are wrong. Your views are wrong. Thats for sure. First you learn the exact meaning of freedom and then come for debate. YOU ARE WRONG!

    Posted on May 8th, 2008 at 9:19 pm

  27. Marc Z says:

    * If a girl can’t able to walk around the country freely means then why you are targeting our culture.

    Dai, you are the one who started talk about girls walking about. Now you are asking us why we are targetting this issue.

    Also as Rachel said in our country the police themself with join with the molesters and the criminals will claim the support of a political party so they’ll all escape.

    George, you have to admit that men can go pretty much everywhere and it is not the same for women. However this is a global phenomenon. Siva is the one who brought it up so if it is irrelevant blame him.

    “In each and every country there are so many polices like this”. What you say about this?

    Completely wrong. Developed countries have a police force that they can trust. In India, the first thing they say in case of any problem is: “Let us not involve the police.” In other countries, it’s the first thing they do.

    Hmmm…. The culture not only depends on the dressing, it contains so many things yaar….

    Then why are you so bothered about the cheerleaders? You are the one who said it was against our culture.

    Freedom = Doing any thing what ever we like?

    That is exactly what it means. You can do anything you like as long as you don’t hurt/inconvenience anyone. What twisted meaning of freedom you have been indoctrinated with, I cannot imagine.

    As Vinod says you have very strange ideas about freedom and culture.

    Posted on May 8th, 2008 at 10:53 pm

  28. George says:

    Right, okay. That’s just natural, men are just physically stronger. Also, they don’t have to carry children. Also, the majority of people are straight.

    Developed countries have a police force that they can trust.
    Really? Are you so sure of that? In any case, I’m pretty sure it’s illegal not to.

    Posted on May 8th, 2008 at 11:15 pm

  29. Marc Z says:

    In India, the first thing they say in case of any problem is: “Let us not involve the police.” In other countries, it’s the first thing they do. This answers your question.

    Posted on May 8th, 2008 at 11:18 pm

  30. George says:

    I read that. Isn’t it illegal to not inform the cops?

    Posted on May 8th, 2008 at 11:37 pm

  31. Marc Z says:

    Yes, but the cops are going to demand bribes and start harassing the victims as soon as they get there. That’s illegal too.

    Posted on May 9th, 2008 at 12:39 am

  32. Adithya says:

    You will be better off not informing the cops. I will give you an example. Near my house during some festivals or functions these people set up huge speakers and play music which they aren’t supposed to. So if some one informs the cops, they send one constable. That guy goes and tells these people in question that this particular house complained and takes the money from them and leaves. Then the local rowdies come and fight with the guy who complained.

    Posted on May 9th, 2008 at 6:53 am

  33. Karthik says:

    Clearly, I have missed much. But have I ?

    I am not going to point out how certain people have been immaturish with their comments. All I want to do is quote Jeppiar here.

    Reporter: Sir, why are boys and girls not allowed to talk in your college(s)?

    J P Yaar: See, (With a Big grin on his face) We follow Tamil Culture.

    On a dissimilar note, I was watching Outsourced today and for the first time in my life heard a description as to what a Shiva Lingam is. Astounding!! Buhaaa should look it up and try and reason as to why we worship it. :)

    Posted on May 9th, 2008 at 5:20 pm

  34. Marc Z says:

    By ‘we’, you mean Hindus.

    Posted on May 9th, 2008 at 6:51 pm

  35. Karthik says:

    Ah, yes. Why we Hindus (supposedly) worship it.

    Posted on May 9th, 2008 at 9:23 pm

  36. George says:

    Wait, guys, isn’t the lingam like a phallic object? I thought that was common knowledge. It’s, like, one of those cool things.

    Posted on May 10th, 2008 at 3:55 pm

  37. Marc Z says:

    No doubt there is some complicated story behind it.

    Posted on May 10th, 2008 at 4:54 pm

  38. Arun says:

    It’s one of the interpretations. Signs and symbols, it depends on how you interpret them.

    Posted on May 10th, 2008 at 10:30 pm

  39. George says:

    Never dis mythology, my man. Most awesome stories ever.

    Posted on May 11th, 2008 at 12:54 pm

  40. Vinod says:

    Now why is Siva not commenting here?

    Posted on May 11th, 2008 at 3:02 pm

  41. Rachel says:

    Let me comment on behalf of Siva. You know what he’ll comment, see this

    @All yaar(s)
    I understand what you all say, but your not getting my point. It’s okay yaar(s), i am very sorry if i’ve hurted anybody :lol:

    Posted on May 11th, 2008 at 4:08 pm

  42. Marc Z says:

    Well that pretty much sums up what he’ll say.

    Posted on May 11th, 2008 at 6:18 pm

  43. Karthik says:

    @George,

    It apparently is. Only, I never knew. :) It’s supposed to be a union of you-know-what and you-know-what. :D The base forms the first you know what and the thing on top the second.

    That’s allowed in temples and yet nudity or skimpily dressed women is a no no. Double standards I say.

    Posted on May 11th, 2008 at 7:01 pm

  44. Ankit says:

    My 2cents,
    India and Indian Culture are two very different concepts. While India is the one which has recently done Agni3 tests, Indian Culture is the one which, well, worships a di*k. Pardon my french.

    But to answer your question, Who defines Indian Culture? Isn’t it you, me and everyone else? Its very easy to point out what all is wrong with Indian culture, but tomorrow WE have to define Indian Culture. Will sarcasm and criticism help there?

    And yes there is a LOT that is wrong, but tell me where it isnt so? States? They have the Rednecks, eerily similar to our ShivSena. Europe has the ol-time-racially-abusive Brits. And these are the “developed” countries. What’s so different then? Just that we perhaps have accepted the system as something beyond our normal set of problems. Whose problem is it when its us who have given up on givin a damn?

    @Marc: Nice Post.

    Posted on May 11th, 2008 at 7:34 pm

  45. George says:

    Oh wow, so now we have to dislike both India and Indian Culture.

    Posted on May 11th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

  46. Marc Z says:

    Ankit, my problem is that no one is willing to admit there is a problem. They want to continue this stupidity.

    It is up to the current generation of the country to define what culture and customs are. What the majority of the people do and agree on, it becomes culture.

    There is no point in importing random practices from the past and forcing people to stick to them just because things have always been done that way.

    Posted on May 11th, 2008 at 9:43 pm

  47. Ankit says:

    @George: The catch word is ‘different’, George. Understand the concept first.

    @Marc: Totally agree with you. The NIH Syndrome, if you ask me. But my point here is that tomorrow when it comes to us we need to be aware of the world around us, or in this case the India around us.

    Yes India is a Democracy, but that does not mean all of our voices have the same weight. As Plato said it, Democracy is the rule of the mob. The majority defines what the law of the land is. Pathetic yes, but it still depends on majority. Tomorrow when our generation has the burden of majority, all I’m asking is if we are ready with the list of things to change? No, right?

    Posted on May 11th, 2008 at 11:18 pm

  48. George says:

    Ankit, I do not think the Agni-III missile is something to be very proud of. It shouldn’t have taken much to see that.

    Also Plato was a definite crackpot. Thank god we don’t take most of his ideas seriously.

    Posted on May 11th, 2008 at 11:32 pm

  49. Ankit says:

    @George: Do you have ANY idea what you’re saying? Please, I request you to not say that again in good company, unless you want to be flamed beyond roast beef. Anyway, the guys at NASA still think it’s a big deal to fire an ICBM that goes beyond the atmosphere, re-enters, re-targets and still hits the target about 2500km away with 10m accuracy. Sure it shouldn’t have take much to see that, after all aerodynamics is just high-school algebra isnt it?

    And not being proud of Agni?? Sure being surrounded on 3 sides by hostile nations, having a war twice with Pak, losing to China in another, having internal conflicts from ULFA to LTTE, even having 2 Prime Minister’s assasinated is a petty little thing. After all we are proud of being a bunch of sissies isnt it? Aggression is not our game. We pride ourselves in being so goddamn critical of our own success. Talk about self-deprecation.

    And Plato was the guy who laid down the systems of governance, among other things. Read “The Republic” and then call him a crackpot.

    @Marc: I smell a flame-war. Haven’t read your disclaimer but you’re free to remove this.

    Posted on May 12th, 2008 at 2:50 am

  50. Selerines says:

    I was bit busy with my friends…. While i opened this post again i saw so many comments which looks like a news paper.

    Fine now i will try to give the common answer for all the comments…….

    1.) Because of the mistakes that was made by some p****s, l*****s and so on.. We should not mistake our culture. If they are changing the meaning of it means, then it is not the fault of our culture.

    2.) If you people talk like this means then it does not mean that “You people are so much broad minded, optimistic and so on”. Remember from this type of culture only we got our precious parents. Are they not good to us? How many you are blaming your parents for some reason? If you can then you are not fit to live here.

    3.) First of all we should not compare any country. Because each and every one will have their own customs and so on. Even many of the foreigners are still loving our culture and customs. I don’t know why you people are hating it.

    4.) See if some “m****r f****s” are getting involved in molestation things means, i don’t know why you people are targeting our culture for that. Are these things happening only in our country? No other countries are having these problems ha?.

    5.) If you say “Molestation” is one of the things in our culture means. Then what you say about the “Gun culture”, what the students are following in the universities especially in America. Is it there culture?

    If you say even a incident like this happened in our country, then its better you people just go and follow all the things from Western type and implement it here and spoil every thing.

    6.) Marc, it may be a simple thing for you. But for us it is not that much simple. In each and every thing so many Adv and D-adv are there. Even the western culture is having so many bad things like our culture. We should try to differentiate the things first.

    7.) Even me too not fully supporting our culture and even the western culture too. I will just take the things that suits me from both the types and i will try to lead my future in a nice manner. Thats it!!!!!!!

    “If you people fully hate our culture means, then you are not fit to live here”.

    Posted on May 12th, 2008 at 8:42 am

  51. George says:

    @Ankit: I understand this is close to your heart. I have little need to provoke a flame war. I agree, the technology that you speak of in the first paragraph is fascinating.

    However, our country won independence on the back of peace and non-violence while others argued about how such idealism simply wouldn’t work and how it was naïve to assume peace would have any impact.

    Pakistan has been in an arms race with us since we both split, and how she has suffered. Call me a fool, but I take pride in other things, things like the elimination of famine in a country of our population dependent nearly completely upon the monsoon. So while Agni, Brahmos, and Tejas may fascinate me (and I’m sure interesting mechanics from there will change normal life the way Teflon did), I am unable to find ‘pride’ in them.

    About Plato: I was being facetious, The Republic - ah, let’s just say I disagree with his Ideal State. I’ve spent nights arguing over this with a few of my friends, and they would mostly end up on your side vis-à-vis Plato (not so, Agni) so perhaps my mind is wired differently. What can I say, I would prefer our ‘mob rule’ to Bhutan’s enlightened monarchy, it’s just the way I am.

    Posted on May 12th, 2008 at 3:19 pm

  52. Marc Z says:

    Sivakumar, who are you to tell people that they are not fit to live here? Every citizen has the right to live in the country even if they don’t agree with your ideas.

    1. You are essentially resetting the whole discussion. The people have to define culture unanimously and if some losers hijack it define it differently then that becomes culture.

    So what exactly is Indian culture then? State a few points. (8 marks)

    2. Incorrect. My parents also feel the same way as me. By your own logic then I am fit to live here. Who made you the person who decides if people are fit to live in the country anyway?

    I can say that people whose names start with S are unfit to live in the country and I would be as correct as you.

    3. And we don’t know why foreigners are interested in our culture. Maybe because on the surface it is colourful and interesting to them. And then get harassed, mugged, duped or molested and then they find out about the real India.

    4. It happens in other countries, but in our country the police actively work with the offenders to destroy evidence and harass the victim and witnesses, people on the road stand and watch instead of helping the victim and courts take 5 to 10 years to resolve the case.

    5. There students kill teachers with guns. Here teachers kill students by beating them to death. Is that better?

    Students ‘are not following gun culture’ there. Those are isolated incidents just like students getting beaten to death are isolated incidents here.

    6. The things that are wrong with our culture cannot even compare with the problems of Western cultures. Our fundamentals are wrong and yet people insist they are right.

    7. That is the best method. Stop judging people based on your idea of culture and stop telling people what to do with their lives. That is all.

    Ankit, I’ll only comments that have the words ‘unity’ or ‘diversity’ in them.

    Posted on May 12th, 2008 at 5:16 pm

  53. Rachel says:

    Cool this post have created many new champ boy here ( coz he’s the one who uses comment area like a full scape note book, was kidin :D )

    @Selerines
    How can you tell other people that they are not fit to live here just becoz their views are different from your’s? that’s ridiculous.

    Now, your only trying to force your views on the other people and not us. We’re just discussing on the topic but your forcing your views on others through this topic. Your taking things so seriously, why is that?

    You guys won’t feel the real pain in molestation unless and until you experience it. That’s all i can!!!

    Posted on May 12th, 2008 at 7:21 pm

  54. Ankit says:

    @George: Indeed. While its true that we achieved independence through Non-Violence, that does not mean that we can continue on that path in current times. Our not participating in the arms race is only going to make us a weak target. India has a history of never being aggressive so these weapons are atleast acting as a deterrent to others.

    And indeed there are social and civil reforms necessary but with so many aggressors sharing borders with us, our external standing cannot be compromised. As an advantage we are now one of the 7 (8?) ICBM capable nations. Which means now we too get to do the gun-totting :)

    @Marc: Since when did we become third-party to our social situation? When we are content in being bystanders on the sidewalk, whose fault is it that idiots have taken over? Leave aside the point that anyone today is willing to _do_ something, we don’t even protest against the wrongs around us. Its a nation of apathy, isn’t it?

    Posted on May 12th, 2008 at 8:32 pm

  55. George says:

    Perhaps, Ankit, you are right. Are you a proponent of nuclear weapons too?

    Posted on May 12th, 2008 at 8:41 pm

  56. Karthik says:

    Whoa. This just gets better and better. I am proud of Sivakumar (not because he is anywhere to close to being sensible.) for giving Marc a hard time. :)

    @Rachel,

    Hey!! What the ? :) You weren’t refering to me right.

    @Marc,

    I lost track of certain things and some of what I am saying may not make a lot of sense, but here’s what I think

    There are untainted parts of Indian culture that’s still good. It’s not like our culture is totally useless. However, the issue lies in two major things

    1 Misinterpretation by politicans and thugs in general who in the name of glorification interpret our culture to suit their own needs.

    This is a bit like Jehadis using quotes from Quaran to start terrorist organisations.

    It’s the interpretation that’s at fault.

    2. Dumbass myths. I don’t know how these myths ever came to be, but then some of them don’t make sense at all. But then, I don’t think we should associate the culture with this.

    Apart from this there are these dumb restrictions (which people feel are essential to their normal living. ROFL) that are found nowhere in teachings and religious manuscripts and hence should not be termed culture.

    Posted on May 12th, 2008 at 10:48 pm

  57. Karthik says:

    And please, everyone show some nice manners. :)

    Posted on May 12th, 2008 at 10:50 pm

  58. George says:

    Myths are awesome things. Like I said before, do not dis mythology, most awesome stories ever.

    Posted on May 12th, 2008 at 10:52 pm

  59. Ankit says:

    @George: I’m a proponent of all things that go Boom. :D

    Personally I think an arms race is a necessary evil though. Most countries capable of Nuclear attacks are rational enough to use them just for strategic advantage or a muscle show. But at the same time for India its much more than just saber rattling, the economy justifies it too. Being the world’s third largest Army is not exactly cost-effective and a bunch of Nukes can be as destructive as half the Army itself.

    @Karthik: I agree.

    Posted on May 13th, 2008 at 2:01 pm

  60. Selerines says:

    @All : You people mistakened me…. See am not forcing my views on any one. I am just telling my views. If you people take it in wrong sense means then i don’t know what to tell… See i got your views, at the same time you people should try to get my views. I am not mistaking your views, then why should you people?. Any way don’t take it in wrong sense….. I feel its better i should stop my contribution to this post by now!!!!! Meet you all in the next post….

    Posted on May 13th, 2008 at 2:13 pm

  61. Karthik says:

    @Sivakumar,

    Please don’t stop. I mean please don’t. Stop. :D Ok, I don’t know what I mean. I leave it to your interpretation. ;)

    Meet you there then. :)

    Posted on May 13th, 2008 at 7:14 pm

  62. Arun says:

    Shiva reminds me of a girl I will never know. :)

    Posted on May 13th, 2008 at 10:40 pm

  63. Marc Z says:

    Sivakumar,

    If you just assume that everything you said is wrong and everything we said is right, then you’ll be right too. Try it, it works!

    But seriously, you can convinced that you are right. That is really bad.

    Also, Arun just PWNED you with that last comment.

    Posted on May 14th, 2008 at 8:05 pm

  64. Vinod says:

    @ Karthik
    I agree with you that some parts in our culture are good. I think almost all myths make no sense.

    Posted on May 17th, 2008 at 9:53 am

  65. Marc Z says:

    That is why they are called myth.

    Posted on May 17th, 2008 at 8:10 pm

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